Welcome to the How to Heal Our Divides Podcast!  We feature interviews with authors releasing important new books addressing our culture’s many serious divides. You can find our episodes below, and on this page, as well as on Apple iTunesSpotifyAnchor, Pocket Casts, RadioPublic, and other popular podcast directories.

You can also visit our YouTube channel for many video interviews.

Episode 140: Therese Taylor Stinson – “Walking the Way of Harriet Tubman: Public Mystic and Freedom Fighter

Episode 139: Larry Jordan – “The Way: Meaningful Spirituality for a Modern World

Episode 138: Lesa Engelthaler – ” Joan of Art

Episode 137: Elizabeth Dias and Lisa Lerer – “The Fall of Roe: The Rise of a New America

Episode 136: Eddie Pate and Jonathan Stutz – “Daily Practices of Inclusive Leaders: A Guide to Building a Culture of Belonging

Episode 135: Brenda Salter McNeil – “Empowered to Repair: Becoming People Who Mend Broken Systems and Heal Our Communities

Episode 134: Cassidy Hall – “Queering Contemplation: Finding Queerness in the Roots and Future of Contemplative Spirituality

Episode 133: Brian McLaren – “Life After Doom: Wisdom and Courage for a World Falling Apart

Episode 132: Grace Ji-Sun Kim – “When God Became White: Dismantling Whiteness for a More Just Christianity

Episode 131: J. Dana Trent – “Between Two Trailers: A Memoir“

Episode 130: Jim Wallis – “The False White Gospel: Rejecting Christian Nationalism, Reclaiming True Faith, and Refounding Democracy”

Episode 129: John Pavlovitz – “Worth Fighting For: Finding Courage and Compassion When Cruelty Is Trending“

Episode 128: David E. Fitch – “Reckoning with Power: Why the Church Fails When It’s on the Wrong Side of Power”

Episode 127: Bruce Reyes Chow – “Everything Good about God is True: Choosing Faith”

Episode 126: Terence and Zion Lester interview – “Zion Learns to See: Opening Our Eyes to Homelessness”

Episode 125: Susan K. Williams Smith – finding your next calling

Episode 124: Sarah Bessey – “Field Notes for the Wilderness: Practices for an Evolving Faith“

Episode 123: Mark A. Bannon – “The Boy from the Cave: A Soul-Stirring Journey from Hopelessness to Faith”

Episode 122: Jeff Munroe “Telling Stories in the Dark: Finding healing and hope in sharing our sadness, grief, trauma, and pain”

Episode 121: Replay: Sarah Griffith Lund – “Blessed Union: breaking the silence about mental illness and marriage”

Episode 120: Judith Reifsteck – “Memoried and Storied: Healing Our Shared History of Racial Violence”

Episode 119: Ellen Armour – “Seeing and Believing: Religion, Digital Visual Culture, and Social Justice”

Episode 118: Carey Newman book interview for Walter Brueggemann’s “Ancient Echoes: Refusing the Fear-Filled, Greed-Driven Toxicity of the Far Right”

Episode 117: Michael Ashford – finding your calling, the psychology of conflict communication, and how journalism can change to be more effective

Episode 116: Jennifer Grant discusses Open Books, Raising Kids for Good, and Find Your Next Calling

Episode 115: Paul Angone – “Listen to Your Day: The Life-Changing Practice of Paying Attention”

Episode 114: Sheila Beckford and Michelle Ledder – “Doing Anti-Racist Business: Dislodging and Dismantling Racism with the 4REALS”

Episode 113: Therese Taylor-Stinson – “Walking the Way of Harriet Tubman: Public Mystic and Freedom Fighter”

Episode 112: Tambry Harris interview – “Awakening the Light: A Survivors to Thrivers Going-Forward Story” and “Stop the Silence: Thriving After Childhood Sexual Abuse”

Episode 111: Jennifer Grant book interview – “Finding Calm in Nature: A Guide for Mindful Kids”

Episode 110: Caroline Beidler book interview – “Downstairs Church: Finding Hope in the Grit of Addiction and Trauma Recovery“

Episode 109: Lerita Coleman Brown – “What Makes You Come Alive-A Spiritual Walk with Howard Thurman”

Episode 108: Shane Claiborne book interview – “Rethinking Life: Embracing the Sacredness of Every Person”

Episode 107: Mary-Frances Winters book interview – “Racial Justice at Work: Practical Solutions for Systemic Change”

Episode 106: Otis Moss III book interview – “Dancing in the Darkness: Spiritual Lessons for Thriving in Turbulent Times”

Episode 105: Wajahat Ali book interview – “Go Back To Where You Came From: And, Other Helpful Recommendations on How To Become American”

Episode 104: Tim Muldoon and Mack McCarter book interview – “How to Remake the World Neighborhood by Neighborhood”

Episode 103: Kenneth W. Wheeler book interview – “US: The Resurrection of American Terror”

Episode 102: Catherine Meeks book interview – “The Night is Long but Light Comes in the Morning: Meditations for Racial Healing”

Episode 101: Lucretia Berry book interview – “Teaching for Justice and Belonging: A Journey for Educators and Parents”

Episode 100: Michelle Sanchez – “Color-Courageous Discipleship”, “Color-Courageous Discipleship Student Edition”, and the picture book, “God’s Beloved Community”

Episode 99: Elizabeth Jarrett Andrew – “Swinging on the Garden Gate: A Memoir of Bisexuality and Spirit”

Episode 98: Karen González book interview – “Beyond Welcome: Centering Immigrants in Our Christian Response to Immigration”

Episode 97: Brandan Robertson book interview – “Dry Bones and Holy Wars: A Call for Social and Spiritual Renewal ”

Episode 96: Book interview with Mitali Perkins – “The Story of Us”

Episode 95: Book interview with Miguel Escobar – “The Unjust Steward: Wealth, Poverty, and the Church Today”

Episode 94: Book interview with Jennifer Garcia Bashaw – “Scapegoats: The Gospel Through the Eyes of Victims”

Episode 93: Book interview with Sabrina Chan and La Thao – “Learning Our Names: Asian American Christians on Identity, Relationships, and Vocation”

Episode 92: Book interview with Valerie Brown – “Hope Leans Forward: Braving Your Way toward Simplicity, Awakening, and Peace”

Episode 91: Book interview with Angela Denker – “Red State Christians: A Journey into White Christian Nationalism and the Wreckage It Leaves Behind”

Episode 90: Book interview with Damon Garcia – “The God Who Riots: Taking Back the Radical Jesus”

Episode 89: Book interview with John Noltner – “Portraits of Peace: Searching for Hope in a Divided America“

Episode 88: Book interview with Willie Dwayne Francois III – “Silencing White Noise: Six Practices to Overcome Our Inaction on Race”

Episode 87: Book interview with Grace Ji-Sun Kim – “Invisible: Theology and the Experience of Asian American Women”

Episode 86: Book interview with Karen Tibbals – “Persuade, Don’t Preach: Restoring Civility across the Political Divide”

Episode 85: Book interview with Patty Krawec – “Becoming Kin: An Indigenous Call to Unforgetting the Past and Reimagining Our Future”

Episode 84: Book interview with Shannon Kearns – “In The Margins: A Transgender Man’s Journey With Scripture”

Episode 83: Book interview with Kevin Nye – “Grace Can Lead Us Home: A Christian Call to End Homelessness”

Episode 82: Book interview with Paul Miller – “The Religion of American Greatness: What’s Wrong with Christian Nationalism”

Episode 81: Book interview with Amy Kenny – “My Body Is Not a Prayer Request: Disability Justice in the Church”

Episode 80: Book interview with Michael Granzen – “Breaking Through the Plate-Glass Window—Prophetic Fragments: On Doing Justice and Loving Kindness in a Time of Reckoning”

Episode 79: Book interview with Randy Woodley – “Becoming Rooted: One Hundred Days of Reconnecting with Sacred Earth”

Episode 78: Book interview with Brandon Wrencher and Venneikia Samantha Williams – “Liberating Church: A 21st Century Hush Harbor Manifesto”

Episode 77: Book interview with Idelette McVicker – “Recovering Racists: Dismantling White Supremacy and Reclaiming Our Humanity”

Episode 76: Book interview with Deborah Nelson Linck – “Pauli Murray: Shouting for the Rights of All People”

Episode 75: Book interview with Jonny Rashid for “Jesus Takes a Side: Embracing the Political Demands of the Gospel”

Episode 74: Book interview with Michelle Reyes for “The Race-Wise Family: Ten Postures to Becoming Households of Healing and Hope”

Episode 73: Book interview with Sarah Griffith Lund for “Blessed Youth: Breaking the Silence about Mental Illness with Children and Teens”

Episode 72: Book interview with Lisa K. Swallow for “Yes, You CAN Talk Politics: A workbook for talking across party lines” and “No One Was Listening”

Episode 71: Book interview with Melissa Guthrie for “Colors of Hope: A Devotional Journal from LGBTQ+ Christians”

Episode 70: Book interview with Terry Catasús Jennings and Rosita Stevens-Holsey for “Pauli Murray: The Life of a Pioneering Feminist and Civil Rights Activist”

Episode 69: Book interview with Jim Belcher for “Cold Civil War: Overcoming Polarization, Discovering Unity, and Healing the Nation”

Episode 68: Book interview with Kerry Connelly for “Wait, Is This Racist? A Guide to Becoming an Anti-racist Church”

Episode 67: Book interview with Richard Mouw for “How to Be a Patriotic Christian: Love of Country as Love of Neighbor“

Episode 66: Book interview with Amy Julia Becker for “To Be Made Well: An Invitation to Wholeness, Healing, and Hope”

Episode 65: How to Heal Our Divides group book discussion featuring Frank A. Thomas

Episode 64: Book interview with Tom Vozzo for “The Homeboy Way: A Radical Approach to Business and Life”

Episode 63: Book interview with Ashley Abercrombie for “Love is the Resistance: Learn to Disagree, Resolve the Conflicts You’ve Been Avoiding and Create Real Change”

Episode 62: Book interview with Caroline Beidler for “10 Practical Ways to Make Your Recovery Shine”

Episode 61: Book interview with Daniel Williams Jr. for “Why Americans Hate Americans”

Episode 60: Book interview with Sheila Beckford and Michelle Ledder for “Anti-Racism 4REALS: Real Talk with Real Strategies in Real Time for Real Change”

Episode 59: How to Heal Our Divides Volume 2 launch party

Episode 58: Book interview with Willard Ashley for “New Rules for Radicals: Techniques and Tactics for Faith-Based Leaders“

Episode 57: Book interview with Daniel Bowman for “On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, and the Gifts of Neurodiversity”

Episode 56: Book interview with Leah Gunning Francis for “Faith After Ferguson: Resilient Leadership in Pursuit of Racial Justice”

Episode 55: Book interview with Drew Hart for “Who Will Be A Witness: Igniting Activism for God’s Justice, Love, and Deliverance”

Episode 54: Book interview with Justin Phillips for “Know Your Place: Helping White, Southern Evangelicals Cope with the End of The(ir) World”

Episode 53: Book interview with Carolyn Helsel for “Anxious to Talk about It: Helping White Christians Talk Faithfully about Racism”

Episode 52: Book interview with Elizabeth Hagan for “Brave Church: Tackling Tough Topics Together”

Episode 51: Book interview with Brandan Robertson – “Filled to Be Emptied: The Path to Liberation for Privileged People”

Episode 50: Book interview with Andre Henry for “All the White Friends I Couldn’t Keep: Hope–and Hard Pills to Swallow–About Fighting for Black Lives”

Episode 49: Book interview with Lisa Sharon Harper for “Fortune: How Race Broke My Family and the World–and How to Repair It All”

Episode 48: Contributors to “How to Heal Our Divides: A Practical Guide” discuss their chapters and the overall program at the book launch party

Episode 47: Book interview with Jennifer Ohman-Rodriguez for “A Time To Mourn & A Time To Dance: A Love Story of Grief, Trauma, Healing, & Faith”

Episode 46: How to Heal Our Divides interview with The Better Arguments Project

Episode 45: Book interview with Kelly Brown Douglas for “Resurrection Hope: A Future Where Black Lives Matter”

Episode 44: Book interview with Betty Pries for “The Space Between Us: Conversations about Transforming Conflict”

Episode 43: An interview with HTHOD book 1 contributor Martin Brooks about Peace Catalyst International

Episode 42: Book interview with Christopher B. Hays and C. L. Crouch – “God and Guns: The Bible Against American Gun Culture”

Episode 41: Rev. Justin Hancock describes The Julian Way

Episode 40: Book interview with Jennie McLaurin for “Designed to Heal: What the Body Shows Us about Healing Wounds, Repairing Relationships, and Restoring Community”

Episode 39: HTHOD interview with book contributor Vanessa Ryerse from Vote Common Good

Episode 38: Book interview with David Finnegan-Hosey for “Grace Is a Pre-existing Condition: Faith, Systems, and Mental Healthcare”

Episode 37: HTHOD interview with book contributor Michael McRay, author of “I Am Not Your Enemy: Stories to Transform a Divided World”

Episode 36: Book interview with Stacey Chomiak for “Still Stace: My Gay Christian Coming-of-Age Story”

Episode 35: HTHDO interview with Todd Deatherage from Telos

Episode 34: Book interview with Victoria Loorz for “Church of the Wild: How Nature Invites Us into the Sacred”

Episode 33: Book interview with Ann Kansfield for “Be the Brave One: Living Your Spiritual Values Out Loud and Other Life Lessons”

Episode 32: Book interview with Rev. Dr. Jacqui Lewis for “Fierce Love: A Bold Path  to Ferocious Courage and Rule-Breaking Kindness That Can Heal the World”

Episode 31: Book interview with John Pavlovitz for “If God Is Love, Don’t Be a Jerk: Finding a Faith That Makes Us Better Humans”

Episode 30: Book interview with Andy Wells for “Tried to Be Straight – Options for Gay Christians”

Episode 29: An interview with HTHOD book contributor Shane Claiborne

Episode 28: Book interview with Danté Stewart for “Shoutin’ in the Fire: An American Epistle”

Episode 27: An interview with HTHOD book contributor Molly LaCroix

Episode 26: Book interview with Jemar Tisby for “How to Fight Racism, Young Reader’s Edition: A Guide to Standing Up for Racial Justice”

Episode 25: Book interview with Daniel Bowman for “On the Spectrum: Autism, Faith, and the Gifts of Neurodiversity”

Episode 24: Interview with “How to Heal Our Divides” book contributor Rich Tafel

Episode 23: Book interview with Adam Taylor from Sojourners for “A More Perfect Union: A New Vision for Building the Beloved Community”

Episode 22: An interview with “How to Heal Our Divides” book contributor Shannon CrossBear

Episode 21: Book interview with Frank Schaeffer for “Fall in Love, Have Children, Stay Put, Save the Planet, Be Happy”

Episode 20: An interview with book contributor K Scarry from The People’s Supper

Episode 19: An interview with Duke Kwon for “Reparations: A Christian Call for Repentance and Repair”

Episode 18: Interview with Kate Rademacher, author of “Reclaiming Rest: The Promise of Sabbath, Solitude, and Stillness in a Restless World”

Episode 17: Interview with Justin R. Phillips, author of “Know Your Place: Helping White, Southern Evangelicals Cope with the End of The(ir) World”

Episode 16: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Brandan Robertson

Episode 15: Book interview with Steven Charleston for “Ladder to the Light: An Indigenous Elder’s Meditations on Hope and Courage”

Episode 14: An interview with Mel White, the author of several important books including “Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay And Christian In America”

Episode 13: Book interview with Lamar Hardwick for “Disability and the Church: A Vision for Diversity and Inclusion”

Episode 12: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Parker Palmer

Episode 11: Book interview with Jemar Tisby for “How to Fight Racism”

Episode 10: Book launch interview with Mako Fujimura for “Art + Faith: A Theology of Making”

Episode 9: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Wes Granberg-Michaelson

Episode 8: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Rev. Dr. Alexia Salvatierra

Episode 7: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Amy Julia Becker

Episode 6: Interview with Jeff Burns to discuss the Peace Path Model

Episode 5: Interview with Susan K. Williams Smith for her book “With Liberty and Justice for Some: The Bible, the Constitution, and Racism in America”

Episode 4: “A House Divided: Engaging the Issues through the Politics of Compassion” with Mark Feldmeir

Episode 3: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with 3Practices

Episode 2: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Catherine Meeks, Executive Director of the Absalom Jones Center for Racial Healing

Episode 1: “How to Heal Our Divides” interview with Arrabon Executive Director David Bailey